Foojay Podcast #30: UtrechtJUG

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[0:00] Foreign podcast the Java user group of World Tour brings us to the Netherlands welcome to the Foojay podcast all your news about OpenJDK on September 12th I was invited to speak at the Utrecht York together with Hano embrecht that was an ideal moment to grab my camera and microphones to interview the organizers and some of the guests so this is a bit of a special edition of the Foojay podcast as it’s also available with video an experiment that brought me great pleasure I hope you like it too so let’s time travel and get back to Utrecht when I got the organizers before the camera just minutes before the first guests arrived we’re here in the Utrecht jock in the Netherlands can you please introduce yourself and your function in The Jug my name is Misha vonora I’m one of the board members of the uterus jerk how long does this joke exist well let me think we started in 2016 so it’s about seven years now I heard from a few people that this is the best joke of Europe why that’s a good compliment why I don’t know you should ask them but what we are very proud of that we have great meetups like today this

[1:23] Evening we grew very rapidly to over 3000 members like I said we have awesome speakers meetups are always attended very well we had some other great events so we’re really proud of what we’ve accomplished so far yeah so we have Jack tonight yeah I’m speaking here yes you are thanks for the invitation you’re welcome this room is still empty how does the registration go do you see the exact number of people appear as registration no no unfortunately that’s not the case we used the meetup.com platform for registration one of the hardest things about organizing a Meetup is making an estimate about how many people will attend usually if you have one-on people registered I’m very happy that about 60 will show up unfortunately it makes it that it’s very difficult to or the food for example something like this or to tell the host how many people we expect we had events that we had a maximum of like 100 people and we thought okay we will have 30 no-show it was 25 so some people couldn’t even enter the room but usually we know that about 30 percent we have no shows or people who

[2:53] Cancel all the registration in the last day but of course we hope that will improve but that’s that’s what it is right now it’s a challenge for all the jokes I hear yeah it is I spoke with many other drug leaders and they all experience the same problem we are here in person how did that go through kovitz did you continue with events virtual events did you stop good question that’s something we were we think about for a long time after the first Meetup got canceled when govid started we decided not to do any events because one of the things about Meetup is meet you meet each other and there were already some virtual jerk like the feed Jack for example and the content usually is available online already so it’s not only about the content you want to meet the speaker in person you want to talk to the speaker after the talk you want to interact with other developers you want to socialize it’s a complete package it’s not just the talk of course is the main thing is most important thing that’s why we come together but for us it was a tough time some months we could do something

[4:13] Because then temporary like one or two and then last minute we had to cancel it because of the restrictions but so I’m glad that that’s over why are you organizing Jax what’s your motivation to do this it’s a good question I’m not a developer myself so it’s not to gain knowledge I have to be honest I can’t even write one single line of code so that’s not the main reason I’m in the IT industry now for 25 years I started in the Microsoft world of Microsoft a completely different world and when I started my company blue for it about 10 or 11 years ago I was kind of surprised what was going on in the Java community so much people who come together who share knowledge open source community and I wanted to be part of that and I wanted to contribute but I couldn’t give a talk I couldn’t write a book and so the only thing I could do is help organize things and we’re already a business partner of the Dutch of Duty but I wanted to do more so we reached out to that’s the founder of the new tracker and I asked him can I participate can I help give any help and after there was a

[5:45] Year after he founded the jerk so in the second year I joined the Jack in the board and from there on yeah we work together you mentioned the NL Jack which is also very big they also have conferences like J fall and Jay spring what’s the relationship that’s not really a formal relationship I think they don’t think that they’re strong in for example the conferences which are amazing Jay spring j4 you mentioned them the magazine of course the business partners it’s all a very professional and what we add is more the local community so unless you have more than the YouTube the Amsterdam jerk brought to them RM and many more so I think it’s it’s not something that we are competing against each other I think the total package is it’s it’s it’s is what works yeah and you mentioned there are a lot of a lot of jokes still in the Netherlands so a very Java friendly country it is it’s sometimes we had some meetups that there were like three meetups on the same day in different cities so you can choose which one you want to go to but that that’s

[7:07] Nice that’s yeah okay thank you so looking forward to the guests so that we have a full room so in a few minutes and thank you hello can you introduce yourself what is your role in the utrechi joke yeah my name is and I’m one of the co-leaders of the utility for four or five years now and my role within the joke is I arranged the hosts the companies who want to host meetups and during the meeting itself I’m one of the hosts in interview yeah introduced speakers Etc are you a Java developer yourself no I’ve never developed Java just like your colleague just like my colleague since 2004 I became a manager within a company and they became managed within the Java community and it was like love of First Sight I never wanted to do anything else so since 2000 so almost 20 years now I’m a manager within the Java community in several companies and since five years I raised my own company called Squad and it’s a small consultancy company I love it what was the thing that made you love Java I love the Java developers itself the way that they enjoy the craftsmanship The energy they

[8:34] Have the time they spend to become a better developer to go to conferences to read books and they are so eager to become a probably the best developer they want to be and I have some shares with other it’s professionals like implementation managers and project managers and they are not that eager as a as developer and what I also like is Java is open source so I always compared to the Microsoft developers I say Java developer is some kind of in a good way in Anarchist he doesn’t like big companies he wants to be free and I really love that and it’s a bit a strange story that Microsoft is now one of the leading companies behind the whole Java Evolution yeah yeah I know and still developers are well look at that like can we trust them on us like Oracle also did but Oracle is going away that a lot of developers don’t like so yeah but there we have the look that the Java project the open GDK project itself is open source and that evolution is yeah yeah what do you want to learn yourself from these events well I do not learn anything from the content itself unless is well for a

[9:53] Few minutes ago we had some calls and he had a talk that I can really follow and I get a message from him so I what I want to learn is more developers I want to meet people and hear from them why they love the job and why they’re coming to our meetups and at the uterus Jack do you focus on pure Java talks or as you said some calls he has more story about development life yeah and experiences yes that’s also the kind of talks you invite mainly it is technical related to the Java world I will say but the Java ecosystem is that so big it has a lot of tooling Etc approaches but it’s not always technical so it’s also sometimes about approaches how you develop how you can like things Park link Auto clean architecture so that’s not pure Java but it has always relation to Java but they’re not only Java developers coming one of the regular visitors is a mobile developer but he lost our meetups what are the plans for a track Jack do you have special plans I know kovit has interrupted a lot of the IDS and plans for many jerks yeah well we do not have plans for our goal is we want to do this

[11:09] Or that in the future we want to go on with the regular meetups we have it on a monthly basis except for the summer month but about 10 years 10 10 times a year we have a Meetup and this year we organized for second year a Devils for kids day so we want to continue that also so in that way we can support the community and also the future Community by the kids and I think that are the main goals to continue that and have yeah the best speakers you can get on stage and we have also speakers every time so a lot of java Champions and other famous International speakers and spread the law for Java yeah yeah okay thank you for this last minute interview yeah because I think the guests will start arriving and let’s see who we can meet we will give them during the job okay thank you when the guests arrived they found a pleasant surprise food good food and it’s also the ideal moment to get together and talk about all things Java my name is Elizabeth I’m a principal developer and I work most of the time with tests what do you want to learn from this Jack normally my focus on tests so normally

[12:31] Needs to learn everything related to job ecosystem and see how we can put tests on top of it so normally I’m deep diving a lot of different teams at my work trying to understand their struggles with testing with quality I’m learned from that and I try to help them to improve that process of quality and deliver like high quality software so are you a Java developer or are you familiar with the language and applying testing to it yeah exactly yeah I’m normally a back-end developer but most of the time I develop tools to help backenders or frontenders to create this more coverage and more like quality mindset are you a regular visitor of the jugs yes there as as much as they can be here I’m here like all the time because the guys are super nice the community here is super nice the food here is super nice the organizers are super friendly so it’s for me it’s one of the best drugs we have my name is I work for Vodafone single and Utrecht and I’m chapter Elite of Java developers so I have around 50 developers in my team and I’m here to understand a bit better what they’re doing all day and are you going

[13:40] To take what you learn here and share it with your colleagues again well at least I will tell them that this is always a great event and I’m trying to stimulate that I also joined the team on the group yeah I also heard that the food is very good the food is very good here it’s very delicious but last time we hosted it and we also had very very good food so that’s what I heard that the uterine is also known for their good food yes definitely are you a regular visitor of this Jack this is my second time okay and what did you learn last time well last time I was hosting it so I was very busy with all the facilities and we had one speaker Bruno about talking about how to create a long-term Development Career in software development that was very inspiring that was last summer I think yeah it was last time yeah yeah he did a whole tour of Belgium the Netherlands yeah first day he was at our event so he just came in from the airport and then he gave his talk thank you I had the honor to open the jug with my talk about Java on the Raspberry Pi but the Rockstar of the evening was definitely Arno embrace

[14:48] So my name is Hano emrex I’m an I.T consultant at infosport in the Netherlands and in that job I’m already I really can do multiple things so I work at my customer site to help them with their software architecture and their implementation but I also do trainings so I teach people about Java and Java EE and spring and those kind of stuff and sometimes I speak at conferences also talking about things that I worked on and today you’re here to speak I am yeah today not only to speak but also to sing and I’ve seen a guitar somewhere yeah that’s correct so one of my major Hobbies is making music and singing and I thought well at a conference there’s sometimes that freedom to incorporate your hobbies into your talks and I think my talks get a bit better from that because the passion is there and it’s something that I really love doing so I have a few talks about the crossroads between music and software development and how I see these two Fields connected so the talk from tonight is also about that yeah the combination of profession and fun right yeah that’s correct something where we can learn a lot from in every

[15:56] Aspect and taking our hobby into our work and vice versa you do speak a lot at Jacks and conferences so I think I do about four or five conferences in a year and then I try to put some jock meetups in there also and also like attending a few of them if they’re in the neighborhood so yeah I really like that what is the main advantage for you of doing a conference talk or a joke talk what do you learn from it so I think well the biggest benefit is when you’re teaching something you have to really know your stuff right so in the preparation is the is are the most learnings for me because I have to really be ready for a lot of questions about subjects so I learned a lot from that but also after the talk when people come to me and they spark new ideas and interests and they will challenge me with a few questions I also learn from that so yeah we are here at Utrecht Jack in the Netherlands we have a lot of jugs but you are also involved in the anal jug what’s your role there so the anal Jack publishes a paper so an analog magazine called Java magazine four times a year it is published and I’m one of

[17:03] The editors of the Java magazine so that means I get to review articles coach writers on how they could structure it how they could write it so really fun I have the magazine I’m one of the paying clients how do you call it it’s a mix of Dutch and English why do we still Focus also on the Dutch part in a magazine nowadays that’s very good question it used to be all Dutch actually and a few years ago we were we tried to make it a bit more accessible to people that don’t speak Dutchess the first language so we’re trying to incorporate more English content in it and actually we’re thinking about making it English entirely but well we’re still a bit debating on that but the focus is more on English content yeah it will be more in the future so if you go English you can go worldwide yeah we can so and we’ve also got the first paying member from Belgium right so we can yeah you can expand okay good luck with the talk in a few moments and have fun yeah thank you too oh I don’t know why but songs by the police they seem to work really well they should actually be called the study

[18:28] Please thank you so joining the Utrecht Jack was a really wonderful experience and I’m sure you can have the same feeling that this or any other joke around the world check Foojay for the full list of jokes and the calendar to find the next event in your neighborhood thanks for listening or in this case maybe even watching the podcast till next time give me the friends of OpenJDK